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typemanifest
idE-20260808a-loci
statusfrozen
created2026-08-08
updated2026-08-08
linksworkshop/experiments/E-20260808a-set-forms/design.md, workshop/translations/szent-peter-esernyoje/span-2-source.txt, wiki/arms/ARM-two-hands.md

The locus classification for «Glogova régen» — rule first, then application

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Why this exists

RS-20260807c-two-hands §4 found that of the four loci the lead had labelled plain and which two independent hands nevertheless diverged at, three contained a set form the lead had not noticed when it labelled them — an archaic preterite (kérdék), a doubled idiom (Dehogy … dehogy), a proverb-shaped tautology (Ami parancs, parancs). That is an n = 3 post-hoc observation. This manifest turns it into a prospective classification on a fresh span.

The claim under test is not about the lead's introspection. It is the transportable version: set-formhood predicts where two independent hands part, even when nothing about the stretch looks difficult. A translator scanning a source for hard places looks for the MARK class below. If SET behaves like MARK rather than like PLAIN, the advance list has to include it.

The rule (written before the chapter was gone through)

Every locus is a short quotable stretch of the Hungarian and gets exactly one class.

PLAIN is drawn mechanically, with no selection at all, so that the control class cannot be cherry-picked: the first finite clause of every paragraph that contains no MARK and no SET locus. Ten paragraphs qualify (¶4, ¶5, ¶6, ¶9, ¶10, ¶17, ¶20, ¶24, ¶29, ¶30) and all ten are used.

A locus is not admitted on the strength of the lead's English. Every admission test above is a statement about the Hungarian, and the class was assigned by going through the source in paragraph order.

MARK — 8 loci

id Hungarian what English lacks
M1 2 «valami kávémasina» period slang (lit. coffee machine) for a branch-line steam engine
M2 3 «nem is anya ez a föld, inkább anyós … az elaggott anyóka állán» a three-term chain anya / anyós / anyóka; English has two terms and then an unrelated word
M3 3 «fehér fű (árvalányhaj)» a plant name that means orphan-girl's hair, glossed by the author himself
M4 8 «a szolgabíróval» the county office of szolgabíró: administrator and judge at once
M5 12 «hasán a tüszőt» the wide leather money-belt of the Slovak peasant costume
M6 15 «azt egy harangláb helyettesítette idelent» a free-standing bell-frame, which is not an English bell-cote
M7 18 «»Vitajtye panyi, vitajtye!« (Legyetek üdvözölve, urak!)» a Slovak code-switch carrying the author's own Hungarian gloss
M8 7 «Tápláljuk a szegény tótocskákat» a diminutive suffix on an ethnonym, affectionate and patronising at once

SET — 19 loci

id Hungarian category of fixed form
S01 1 «e sorok írója» journalistic fixed formula
S02 7 «a gyümölcsfák megteszik a magokét» idiom, with archaic possessive magokét
S03 11 «hányta szemükre» body-part idiom (throw on someone's eyes)
S04 13 «Mindenki fizesse a maga szolgáját.» proverb-shaped maxim
S05 15 «ütött-kopott házacska» reduplicative fixed compound
S06 15 «zsindelyig csak maga az Isten vitte fel Glogován» the idiom felvinni az Isten valakinek a dolgát, fused with a literal roof
S07 16 «Majzik Györgynek hítták» archaic preterite of hív
S08 16 «java férfikorban» fixed phrase for the prime of life
S09 19 «hány az Isten, miképpen híják ezt az országot» catechism formula, with archaic present híják
S10 21 «Meg vagyok elégedve, amice.» Latin vocative in vernacular use
S11 23 «mondá ott künn a szolgabíró» archaic preterite mondá, with archaic künn
S12 23 «domine fráter» Latin vocative in vernacular use
S13 25 «tekintetes uram» fossilised rank address
S14 25 «olyan magam vagyok itt egész őszig, mint az ujjam» fixed simile (as alone as my finger)
S15 25 «Méltóztatik érteni?» honorific auxiliary, fossilised
S16 26 «kérdé erre a szolgabíró» archaic preterite of kérd
S17 27 «kérem alássan» servile fixed formula
S18 22 «hajadonfővel kísért ki bennünket» fixed adverbial compound
S19 28 «elismételgettük» frequentative-diminutive verb form

PLAIN — 10 loci, drawn mechanically

id Hungarian (first finite clause of the paragraph)
P01 4 «Túlságosan öreg-e a föld?»
P02 5 «Szegénység, nyomor van itt és mégis valami báj, valami édes poézis.»
P03 6 «Boróka- és bodzaillat tölti meg a levegőt.»
P04 9 «A falubeliek megsiratták az öreg papot.»
P05 10 «Jó ember volt - mondták -, de nem tudott gazdálkodni.»
P06 17 «Bevezetett a gyerekekhez, az iskolás lányok ültek balról, a fiúcskák jobbról»
P07 20 «De a principális nem volt szigorú ember»
P08 24 «A glogovai mester egy kissé zavarba jött»
P09 29 «Rá vagy két hétre híre jött, hogy egy fiatal káplánt kaptak oda papnak a glogovaiak.»
P10 30 «Legalább a mester nem lesz már egyedül nyaranta.»

Controls, assigned now and instantiated after the renderings exist

What is registered

Stated in full in design.md §Predictions and frozen there. In one line: SET is called different between two independent hands at a rate near MARK and well above PLAIN, on a pair the lead is not in.