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E-20260807g — does deference survive the move out of quotation marks?

Frozen 2026-08-07 (S131) before any call. ARM-ja-register step 2, target (b).

1. The question, and why it is not about the apparatus

RS-20260807b §5 found that Yasotarō Morri lost Botchan's high register pole — the deference that constitutes Kiyo and, through her, the narrator's social position — and A-morri-botchan §6 named the mechanism from inspection: he converts her direct speech to indirect discourse, which deletes the Japanese morphology outright. That is an inference from four sites in one translator's hand, and it is confounded with everything else Morri did at those sites.

The question here is a craft question about English, not about Morri: when a deferential utterance is moved out of quotation marks and reported instead, holding the content fixed, how much of the deference does English lose, and can a translator get it back inside indirect discourse? No regime in workshop/regimes/ and no recommendation in framework/v0.1 mentions the direct/indirect choice at all; if it is a register carrier, that is an omission with consequences for both.

Subject-rule sentence (continue-prompt.md §4.5): this unit teaches whether the direct/indirect discourse choice is a register decision in JA→EN literary translation, and what a translator who must make it can and cannot recover.

2. Materials

Seventeen deferential utterances, each taken with the minimal narrative frame that identifies who speaks to whom, in three cells:

cell source rendering, frozen n hypothesis-aware?
A1 Sōseki 「坊っちゃん」 ch. 1 (1906) T-botchan-R04-v1, S126 4 no
A2 Sōseki 「坊っちゃん」 ch. 1 (1906) T-botchan-R04-v2, S131, this session 8 yes
B Ōgai 「最後の一句」 (1915) T-saigo-no-ikku-R04-v2, S128 5 no

A1 + B = 9 utterances whose English was written before this design existed. The primary is read on those nine. A2's eight were written today by a translator who knew the question, and are reported as a separate, flagged arm — see §7 limit 1.

Arms. Each utterance appears in four forms. DIR is the filed rendering verbatim; the other three are written for this design and are the only new prose in the materials:

MORRI — Yasotarō Morri's published 1918 English, on the twelve Botchan utterances. Not a fifth manipulated arm: the published comparator, entering as itself.

Materials: materials/build_loci.py → materials/loci.json. 80 English items (17 × 4 + 12).

Contamination, measured before this design was written (materials/contamination.json): T-botchan-R04-v2 × Morri chapter 1 — 0 shared 7-grams, 0 twelve-grams, longest run 6 tokens, clean, cleaner than S126's 4 / 0 / 9. Note (bhb) applied as a gate: the project had not rendered these five paragraphs before (R04-v2 × R04-v1: 0 / 0, run 5).

3. Procedure

Stage 0 — pre-run critic. One non-panel adversarial pass over this frozen design. Findings applied as numbered amendments before any other call.

Stage 1 — source-side gate. Three seats rate 24 Japanese items — the 17 marked utterances and 7 unmarked comparators (the father's 貴様, the classmate's taunt, the magistrate's 帰れ帰れ, and four more) — on the deference scale, reading Japanese only, no English anywhere in the prompt.

Stage 2 — the rating stage. The same three seats rate the 80 English items, shuffled with opaque ids, in three blocks each. Nothing in any prompt names an arm, a translator, a work, a date or this hypothesis. Blocks are hash-fixed per seat so the shuffle is reproducible.

Stage 3 — parity gate. One non-panel model, not a seat, is shown each DIR beside its IND and INDC and asked whether the second reports the same content as the first. Four planted content errors (W1–W4) are mixed in, in IND form, as the positive control: a parity call that cannot catch a planted error cannot certify the real ones. 38 judgments.

Stage 4 — device census. One non-panel model, not a seat, is shown the 17 DIR renderings and asked (i) to list the words and constructions that mark the speaker's deference and (ii) to say for each whether it could still be present if the utterance were reported rather than quoted. It is not shown the lead's own table (T-botchan-R04-v2 §1), the hypothesis, or any other arm.

The scale (identical in stages 1 and 2), an integer 0–6:

How much deference — social subordination to the person being addressed — does the speaker's language convey? 0 = none, or the speaker is talking down; 3 = neutral, between equals; 6 = deep deference, the speaker placing themselves far below the person addressed.

Judgment is never parallelised. All raw bodies preserved in runs/ before anything is computed.

4. Gates, fixed now

5. Predictions, registered

P1 (primary), read on cells A1 + B only (9 utterances). DIR − IND ≥ 0.50 × (DIR − DIRF), positive at 3 of 3 seats, and positive at ≥ 7 of 9 utterance-medians. The syntactic move alone costs at least half of what stripping the deference lexically costs.

P2 — compensation is partial. INDC < DIR on A1 + B, at 3 of 3 seats. The recovery fraction (INDC − IND) / (DIR − IND) is reported whatever P2 does.

P3 — Morri's loss is accounted for by the conversion. On the 7 Botchan utterances Morri renders indirectly, MORRI ≤ IND + 0.5; on the 5 he keeps direct, MORRI > IND. If both halves hold, the published translator's register collapse is the same effect measured on a hand that was not trying to demonstrate it.

P4 — the structural explanation. In stage 4's independent census, ≥ 60% of the deference devices found in the 17 DIR renderings are classified as unable to survive reporting.

P5 — the discourse-form census, no jury, computed from the texts. Morri converts ≥ half of the 12 Botchan deferential utterances to indirect discourse. (The lead's count before dispatch is 7 of 12; this is registered as a claim to be verified, not discovered.)

6. Failure criteria, fixed now

7. Known limits, written before the run

  1. The A2 renderings are hypothesis-aware. The lead wrote them today knowing this question would be asked. This is why the primary excludes them; it is not a fix, because the same lead wrote the IND, INDC and DIRF arms for all cells. Nothing here puts the manipulations outside the lead. G3 bounds content drift; it does not bound the lead's choice of how much deference to put into DIR in the first place.
  2. INDC is deliberately effortful English and may read as awkward. The scale asks about deference, not quality, but a seat that dislikes the prose may mark it down anyway.
  3. IND items are structurally shorter than their DIR counterparts (the vocative goes). Length is a confound the design does not control and the verifier will report it.
  4. Three seats, Tier D NOT PASSED. Nothing here is a jury verdict. The seats rate a described social relation; no arm is scored for goodness and no translation is ranked.
  5. Two works, one language pair, one direction. Whatever holds here is JA→EN.
  6. The 17 utterances are the lead's selection, though G2 tests that they are marked and the comparators are not.

8. Budget

Pre-flight worst case from max_tokens, not from expected length (note (abc)):

stage calls cap worst case
0 critic 1 16,000 $0.06
1 source 3 6,000 $0.09
2 rating 9 8,000 $0.36
3 parity 1 10,000 $0.05
4 census 1 14,000 $0.07
re-dispatch reserve (F4) ≤ 3 8,000 $0.12

Declared ceiling $0.75. Headroom at freeze: $1.823046555 of the UTC-day $5.00 cap, six prior sessions today. If a stage would breach the declaration it is cut, not silently overrun.


9. Amendments, all made before any rating call was dispatched

Stage 0 pre-run critic (nvidia/nemotron-3-ultra-550b-a55b, non-panel): NEEDS-REDESIGN, 5 BLOCKING, 6 NON-BLOCKING. Its BLOCKING 2, 3 and 4 would have voided the primary. Ten findings accepted, two remedies overruled.

Overruled, with reasons. (i) The critic's remedy "restrict the primary to DIR vs DIRF, treat IND/INDC as exploratory" is refused: that is the arm's question, and abandoning it would leave A-morri-botchan §6's mechanism claim exactly as unmeasured as it was. A1 and A2 address the same worry without giving up the comparison. (ii) "Add a naturalness rating for all items" is refused on cost — it doubles stage 2 against a $0.90 declaration — and carried instead as §7 limit 2.