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E-20260806f — does the person the source presents arrive in the translation, and is he determinate on the source side at all?

Frozen 2026-08-06 (S123), before any API call. Nothing below was written after a datum existed. Arm: ARM-voice-crossing, step 1. Track T2.

1. Question

wiki/goodness-senses.md §voice defines the sense as a source–target relation: "whether the translation realizes, for its readers, the source work's characterized authorial or narratorial perspective… the reader of the translation meets someone, and the question is whether it is the someone the source presents."

Two runs have now tried to reach that positive claim by the route the sense's own reachability note specified — two renderings of one source built to differ in persona, a blind jury asked which reader met which person — and both failed, the second one structurally: RS-20260806-same-man established that the propositional parity that makes a paired rendering a controlled contrast is what readers use to answer same person?, so no number of seats or languages repairs that design. Its closing sentence names the successor: what would reach the claim is "a jury shown one rendering and asked to describe the person, against a source-side description written by a reader who saw no English, with the two descriptions compared for fit rather than for difference" — and it adds that the next obstacle is on the source side, because in RS-20260805d two competent readers of the Dutch disagreed at 5 of 7 about the narrator they had both just read.

This run builds that instrument, and it puts the source-side obstacle first, as a gate.

The Tier 2 challenge this bears on. Venuti's simpatico argument (S-venuti-invisibility ch. 6, recorded against voice since S048 and standing unabsorbed) is that the sensation of having captured an author's voice is "evidence about the translator, not about the source" — cultural narcissism, the reader recognising himself. That argument has an empirical consequence this design can test in one direction: if the narrator is not a determinate property of the source, independent readers of the source will not converge on him. A null on the source side is Venuti's result. A positive is not a refutation of him — he can still say the convergence is a shared projection — and the result page will say so.

One sentence on the wire between the limbs (continue-prompt.md §4): the four translations are the target-side objects whose independently described narrators are matched against source-side descriptions the same run measures for determinacy, so the translation limb is what makes the study limb's crossing measurable at all.

2. Materials, and the contamination gate

Four works, four languages, four language families. Every locus was chosen on one source-side rule, fixed before any English existed: a span in which the narrator presents himself and almost nothing happens — so that what a reader has to describe is a manner, not a plot.

id source locus size copy-text
dost Достоевский, «Записки из подполья» (1864), RU I.1 ¶1–2 411 words ru.wikisource
daudet Daudet, Lettres de mon moulin (1869), FR «Installation» ¶1–4 380 words fr.wikisource (Charpentier 1895)
sandmann Hoffmann, «Der Sandmann» (1816), DE the address to the reader, ¶1 337 words de.wikisource
wagahai 夏目漱石『吾輩は猫である』(1905), JA 一, opening 599 chars Aozora 000148/789_14547

SHA-256 of every span is in materials/sources.json.

Contamination — measured, and the deviation from the standing rule's letter is declared here rather than buried. CLAUDE.md requires the measurement before anything is translated. That is not satisfiable together with R04 §Procedure 1, which forbids the translator to read a published rendering before its own log is frozen: the check needs the lead's English on one side. The order actually taken was: loci fixed on source-side grounds → four R06 drafts frozen → four R04 revisions and logs frozen → comparators fetched and measured → this design written. The rule's purpose — that the number is not a diagnostic produced inside a running experiment to explain a result away — is met: every figure below existed before a single line of the study limb was specified.

work comparator 7g 12g 15g longest run verdict declared
dost Garnett 1918, PG #600 33 6 2 16 DEPENDENT? high
daudet Keith Adams, PG #30442 1 0 0 7 clean none
sandmann Bealby 1885, PG #31377 3 0 0 8 clean none
wagahai — — — — — no comparator reachable none, on an absence

materials/contamination.json; command line python3 tools/dependence_check.py materials/contamination-cells.json.

What the dost figure does to this design, decided before the run. It does not disqualify the item. Nothing here claims the lead is an independent third translator of anything, no published rendering is an arm, and the primary asks only whether the narrator a source-only reader finds is the narrator a target-only reader finds. What it does is weaken one confound for that item — the English of dost is partly Garnett's hand, not the lead's — and that cuts against the run's own "one hand across four works" worry rather than for it. dost is kept, flagged, and the primary is recomputed without it as a pre-registered robustness check (§7 R2).

3. The instrument

A persona profile: nine integer scores, 0–6, plus one free sentence. Every profile is written from one text and nothing else. The same nine axes are used on both sides.

family axis 0 6
carrier register plain, colloquial, everyday elevated, literary, formal
carrier rhythm short, even, level sentences long, uneven, surging periods
carrier diction-temperature cool, dry, clinical words hot, charged, exclamatory words
carrier distance the narrator stands right beside what he describes he observes from far off
persona warmth cold or hostile toward what he describes affectionate
persona irony says what he means, straight his words continually undercut what they report
persona intrusion never appears as an "I", never addresses anyone constantly speaks in his own person or turns to the reader
persona judgment passes no verdict on anything constantly evaluates
persona certainty hesitant, self-correcting, unsure of his own account wholly certain

Provenance of the axes, stated because the order of work makes it matter. The four carrier axes are voice's own named carriers, taken verbatim from the entry. idiosyncrasy, the entry's fifth, is deliberately excluded, on the entry's own record: it has failed to separate anything in two runs, two languages and two disjoint seat sets (RS-20260805d §4, pinned at 7 in 8 of 8 profiles; RS-20260806-same-man §4, a range of 0.33 across five renderings). The five persona axes are ordinary narratological properties. None was chosen by looking at the renderings — but the renderings did exist when this list was written, because charter §3 rule 8 requires the logs frozen first, and that ordering risk is a declared limit (§9).

The free sentence never enters a number. All matching is arithmetic on the nine integers. This is the design's answer to the confound that killed ARM-voice-persona: a number cannot leak plot, so a match cannot be produced by shared content. It is not an answer to the recognition confound, which §6 measures instead.

4. Arms

arm what it is who made it n texts
SOURCE the four source passages, read in the original — 4
CLOSE the lead's R04 renderings lead, $0 4
FLAT R14 matched-content flattening applied to two CLOSE renderings lead, $0 2
PANEL an unbriefed plain translation from the source by a non-panel model mistralai/mistral-medium-3-5 2

The two works carrying FLAT and PANEL are daudet and wagahai — the alphabetically first and last of the four slugs. The rule is mechanical and is fixed here so that no property of any datum could have selected them.

FLAT uses R14 v0.1 exactly as written: it renders from the live English, never from the source, and nothing may change what the text says. Its operators F1 (cadence levelling), F2 (figure de-specification), F3 (repetition flattening), F4 (verb deadening), F5 (register levelling) are applied to every sentence they reach. R14's own propositional-equivalence requirement is checked by the recognition stage's seats reading both texts (§6c), not asserted.

5. Procedure

Every raw body is written to runs/ before anything is computed from it. Temperature 0. Axis order in the prompt is counterbalanced by a hash of (work, seat, side) — half the calls get the list reversed — so a scale-order effect averages out rather than aligning with a work.

stage what calls
0 independent adversarial pre-run critic over this frozen design 1
1 SOURCE profiles — 4 works × 4 seats, source language only 16
2 CLOSE profiles — 4 × 4, English only 16
3 FLAT profiles — 2 × 4 8
4 PANEL translations — 2 works, one non-panel hand, unbriefed 2
5 PANEL profiles — 2 × 4 8
6 recognition probe — 4 CLOSE texts × 2 seats, asked to name work and author 8
total 59

Seats. Profiling seats are P1 openai/gpt-5.6-terra, P2 google/gemini-3.6-flash, P3 x-ai/grok-4.5, P5 deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro (routing pinned per the S121/S122 record). Critic is P4 moonshotai/kimi-k3, which profiles nothing. The PANEL translator is mistralai/mistral-medium-3-5, non-panel, so that no profiling seat ever scores its own prose (charter §5). Roles are the design's; slugs are logged as provenance.

Nobody judges quality anywhere in this run. Every seat is a describer of a narrator. No sense is scored, no translation is ranked, and nothing here is licensed to say any rendering is better than any other. Tier D is NOT PASSED and every sentence of the result will carry provisional.

6. Analysis, fixed here

Centring. For each (seat, side), subtract that seat's mean per axis across its four works. This removes seat-level offsets, which would otherwise make a seat match itself trivially. FLAT and PANEL profiles are centred with that seat's CLOSE constants, because a two-work mean is not comparable.

Matching. For a target profile from seat s on work i: the source consensus for work j is the mean of the centred SOURCE vectors of the seats other than s (leave-one-seat-out, so a seat never matches against itself). Predicted work = argmin Euclidean distance over the four consensus vectors. A tie counts as a miss.

Null. Exact, by exhaustive enumeration: permute the work-labels within each seat independently, all 24⁴ = 331,776 assignments, and count how many reach the observed number of correct matches or more. That P is what gets reported; the binomial figures below are only how the bars were set.

Registered bars. G1 fires at ≥ 8 of 16 (binomial P(X≥8 | p=¼) = 0.0271). P1 fires at ≥ 8 of 16. P2 and P3 claim only at ≥ 7 of 8 in the predicted direction (sign test P = 0.0352); below that they are descriptive.

7. Failure criteria — declared before dispatch

What a null means here. If P1 fails with G1 passing, the finding is that a determinate source narrator does not arrive in a close English rendering by this instrument — which would be the strongest thing this project has said against voice as a scoreable source–target relation, and it is as publishable as a pass. The arm said at birth that a null is completion.

8. Pre-flight budget

UTC day 2026-08-06 stands at $2.587897236 of $5.00 before this session; headroom $2.412102764.

Worst case is built from max_tokens, not from expected output (note (abc)): 57 calls at max_tokens 1,200 and 2 translation calls at 2,500, priced at the most expensive panel rate ($7.50/M out, $2.00/M in) with a 2× routing margin on top of that, per config/models.md's standing caution that routing alone can move a bill 4×.

57 × (1200 × 7.5 + 1800 × 2.0)/10⁶ + 2 × (2500 × 7.5 + 1200 × 2.0)/10⁶ = $0.72, doubled: declared worst case $1.50, 62% of headroom. A stage that will not fit is dropped in the order 6 → 5+4 → 3, and the drop is reported.

9. Declared limits, written before the run

  1. The axes were fixed after the renderings were made, because charter §3 rule 8 requires the translator's logs frozen before an evaluation is designed. The mitigation is provenance, not procedure: four axes are voice's own, five are standard, none was picked off a rendering.
  2. All four CLOSE texts are one hand. That works against P1, not for it.
  3. The seats are panel models. Nothing here licenses a claim about a human reader.
  4. Recognition is not excluded, only measured (F4).
  5. A pass does not refute Venuti, who can hold that convergent readers share a projection. It removes only the strongest version of the charge, the one that says there is nothing there to converge on.
  6. Four works is four works. Chance is ¼ and the bar is set accordingly; no claim about persona in general follows from four narrators.

10. Amendments after the pre-run critic — applied before any profile call

Critic: nvidia/nemotron-3-ultra-550b-a55b (non-panel; it profiles nothing here), NEEDS-AMENDMENT, 15 findings, 6 BLOCKING, $0.01652940, finish_reason: stop, full text in critic.md.

Seat note, and note (bhf)'s thirteenth firing, recorded because it was avoidable. The critic seat was first moonshotai/kimi-k3 (P4). It returned finish_reason: length with zero content characters at max_tokens 16,000 — the whole cap spent on hidden reasoning — billing $0.2414856 for nothing. That slug had already failed this exact role at S106 and note (bhf) rule (iii) says to change the seat rather than the ceiling. The design chose it without reading the note. The seat was changed, and the replacement returned a complete critique for $0.0165, one fifteenth of the failure. The dead body is kept as runs/critic-kimi-length-DISCARDED.json and is ledgered.

Accepted — five BLOCKING and three advisory

Rejected, with the reason — BLOCKING 1 and 2

The critic requires a single centring constant per seat across all eight profiles in place of the registered per-side centring, on the ground that per-side centring makes a seat that scores high on the source and low on the target look artificially distant. The algebra says the opposite, and the finding is declined. Write σ for a seat's mean source vector and τ for its mean target vector.

The registered scheme is the one that does what the finding asks for. BLOCKING 2 falls with 1. What the finding does earn is a robustness figure, which is added: P1 is also reported under the critic's common centring, so that the choice is visible rather than argued.

11. Amendment A9 — declared mid-run, before the stage it changes

S2 (google/gemini-3.6-flash) returned finish_reason: length on all four SOURCE calls at max_tokens 1,200, with the JSON truncated mid-object after three or four of the nine scores. The bodies billed $0.0417 and carry no usable profile. Note (b) forbids accepting a truncated body; note (bhq) prescribes raising capacity and re-dispatching as a declared amendment, and says to size the cap from the seat's measured reasoning appetite rather than from the answer.

Measured, off the stored bodies: completion_tokens_details.reasoning_tokens = 1,152 / 1,104 / 1,124 / 1,113 against a total completion allowance of 1,196. So the cap was consumed by hidden reasoning and the answer never fitted.

A9: max_tokens is raised to 3,000 for S2 alone (1,152 measured + ~250 for the answer, doubled), written into run.py as SEAT_MAX_TOKENS so a resume picks it up. The four truncated bodies are moved to runs/discarded/ and re-dispatched with a byte-identical payload. No other seat's cap changes: S1, S3 and S4 returned stop on 12 of 12.

The worst case is rebuilt from the raised cap (note (abc)). S2's 12 remaining profile calls at 3,000 and the other three seats' 24 at 1,200, priced at $7.50/M out with a 2× routing margin, plus the two translation calls and eight recognition calls: $0.95 remaining against $0.3416 already spent, so the session's declared worst case is revised from $1.50 to $1.70 — the increase is entirely the two dead bodies (the kimi critic at $0.2415 and these four at $0.0417) and the raised S2 ceiling.

Note (bhf) has now fired twice in this one session, on two different slugs, in two different roles, and both were foreseeable from the note itself. Recorded in the result page's limits rather than softened.