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RS-20260728e — the domestication↔foreignization axis is not measurable by rule coverage, and the reason is that two readers do not agree on what a rule decides

Design frozen at 9846fbd before either translation existed. Five predictions registered; four failed. Then the design's own reliability check fired, and it changes which numbers may be reported at all.

1. The headline

measure lead's coding independent classifier's coding
cov(R07) — fluency rules' decision rate 6/44 = 0.136 15/44 = 0.341
cov(R08) — resistancy rules' decision rate 39/45 = 0.867 18/45 = 0.400

Agreement between the two codings is 0.483 — below the 0.60 threshold the design pre-registered as its reliability failure criterion. Cohen's κ = 0.173 (p₀ 0.483, pₑ 0.375), which is the range conventionally called slight: the two readers are barely above chance on a three-way classification, applying the same written definitions to the same 89 sites.

Under the frozen rule, the classifier's numbers become the headline and the lead's are reported as unreliable. But the more useful reading is that neither set of numbers is a measurement. If two careful readers cannot agree on whether a written rule decided a given choice, then "how far along the domestication↔foreignization axis is this translation" is not a quantity that this route can deliver — and that is a stronger and more robust conclusion than either coverage rate.

2. Predictions, as registered

prediction lead's coding classifier's coding verdict
P1 cov(R07) > cov(R08) 0.136 < 0.867 0.341 < 0.400 FAILS on both codings
P2 cov(R08) < 0.50 0.867 0.400 fails on the lead's, holds on the classifier's
P3 sep > 0.50 0.951 — holds (0.927 excluding the one orthography-only difference)
P4 int(R08) ≥ D(R08) 1 vs 39 1 vs 18 FAILS on both
P5 R07 longer than R08 373 vs 408 words — FAILS

Four of five failed, and P1 failed on both codings. P1 was the session's central expectation and it was built on Venuti's own statement that his method "cannot be calculated before the translation process is begun." The prediction was that the fluency pole would be the better-specified one because he states it as a checklist. It is not. On the lead's coding the resistancy rules decide six times as often; on the classifier's they still decide more often.

3. Why P1 failed, and it is not a fact about Venuti

The mechanism is visible in the rule text and was written into the R08 log while translating, before any of this was computed:

A rule that says do what the source does decides almost any site, because the source has already decided it. R2 ("follow the source's clause order and period length") and R6 ("calque where the source's figure is not English") are cited at 34 of the 39 sites the lead coded D under R08. The fluency set has no such rule: F6 ("idiomatic syntax before close syntax") and F1 ("current, not archaic") exclude options without naming a target, which is why they leave two live options standing at 19 sites.

So the asymmetry is not foreignization is better specified than domestication. It is foreignization can be written as a pointer to an object that exists, and domestication cannot. "Be idiomatic" names no text; "do what the Italian does" names the Italian. This inverts the shape of the Tymoczko objection the experiment set out to test: the criteria that are missing are the domesticating ones.

4. The disagreement is not noise — it is one specific dispute, and it is the same dispute

lead → classifier count
D → D 20
D → S 14
D → P 11
P → D 12
P → P 21
P → S 3
S → D 1
S → P 5
S → S 2

All 14 D→S disagreements are in R08, and 10 of the 14 cite only R2 and/or R6. The dispute is exactly one question: does a general "follow the source" rule name the feature at a site — a doublet, a plural, a causal conjunction — or does it merely apply to everything and therefore name nothing? The lead answered yes; the classifier answered no, consistently, fourteen times.

That is a defensible disagreement, and no wording in the frozen spec settles it. The coding scheme has a hole where its most consequential distinction should be, and both readers fell into it in opposite directions. In the other direction the classifier is more willing than the lead to call an exclusion-rule decisive (12 P→D and 1 S→D, almost all in R07) — so it is not simply a stricter reader; it is applying a different, unwritten theory of what "names the feature" means.

A second, smaller hole is on record from before the classifier ran. R08 site 36 («rotella» → "knee-wheel") is a rule conflict: R6 requires the calque, R9 forbids the parodic, and no live option satisfies both. The frozen D/P/S scheme has no code for that, so the site was recorded as P and the gap flagged in the log. The classifier — which was told to code conflicts as P! — coded it D and flagged no conflict anywhere in 89 sites.

5. What did work

6. What this changes in the project

  1. S-venuti-invisibility's standing recommendation is withdrawn. That page has said since S006 that the project should import domestication/foreignization "as a scored axis / pair of tendencies, never as a binary label." The scored-axis half is now unsupported by the project's own attempt to build the scale: two readers with the same rules and the same text return κ = 0.17. The page is amended to say the pair is usable as descriptive vocabulary for a strategy a translator declares, and not as a quantity a third party scores off the text.
  2. It does not license the opposite claim. n = 1 passage, one language pair, one translator, one classifier, one pair of rule sets assembled by the party being tested. This is a case demonstration with a number attached, exactly as the design says.
  3. The target-culture half of Venuti's theory was never in the design. For Venuti foreignization is "a strategic construction whose value is contingent on the current target-language situation" (ch. 1, p. 20). A rule set operating on the source-to-target mapping cannot see that, so this is evidence about the discursive half only — and a defender of the axis can say, correctly, that the half that was tested is the half Venuti says is not where the strategy lives.

7. Verification and provenance

Every judgment in this page that is not a computed number is internal-judgment-only; the classifier is a non-Anthropic panel model and the panel is not calibrated (config/models.md), so its coding carries no evidential authority either — it is a second reader, not an arbiter. provisional: true per charter §2.4.