Source: The Phrase Finder — "Lose face / Save face: meaning and origin"
- Title: Lose Face / Save Face — Meaning & Origin Of The Phrase
- Publication: phrases.org.uk (The Phrase Finder)
- URL: https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/lose-face.html
- Type: secondary (popular etymology/phrase-history reference site); stance neutral, moderately careful (cites named primary print sources with dates)
- Accessed: 2026-09-03
Extract
- States "lose face" began as an English translation of the Chinese phrase "tiu lien" ("to suffer public disgrace"), and gives what it presents as the earliest known English citation: Sir Robert Hart (a Western consular official in China), in his 1876 essay collection These from the Land of Sinim: Essays on the Chinese Question, discussing China's damaged reputation.
- States "save face" has no direct Chinese antecedent — "merely the opposite concept," an English coinage. Gives its earliest documented print appearance as June 1899, in The Harmsworth Magazine: "That will save my face in the City."
- Frames the pattern as: "lose face" derived from Chinese ("tiu lien"/"tu lien"), while "save face" was built in English by back-formation/analogy from the borrowed phrase, not itself translated from a Chinese source.
Gaps
- A popular phrase-reference site, not an academic source — dates given (1876, 1899) are not independently cross-checked against original print runs by this project; they also do not match the 1874 newspaper date reported by wikipedia-face-sociological-concept.md or the OED's own reported 1900/1901 dates for "save-face"/"face-saving" (see oed-face-idioms-reported.md) — recorded as a genuine, unresolved multi-source dating disagreement on the word page.
- Does not discuss mianzi vs. lian as distinct Chinese concepts, only the single undifferentiated phrase "face."